Trump Biden Autopen Debate Is Way Off Base

The Trump Biden autopen debate is waging right now, but there are other possibilities which should be considered that have not been posed by any Democrats nor Republicans. Listening to Trump like he is telling the truth is a mistake. But listening to him and discrediting everything he is saying – is wrong – especially if you are somebody who wants to see Trump held accountable. It just might mean you have to hold other people (like Biden or other past Presidents) equally accountable. Will you do that? Or will you back away from this very serious matter to protect your party?

This unfolding controversy over presidential autopens, is of national importance.

But Donald Trump’s newly launched investigation is a cover up, not a witch hunt.

This article details the very real possibility that Trump himself may have covertly wielded Biden’s autopen.

Yes, you read that correctly. The more you consider this, the more sense it makes. Even if you hate the truth, you must accept it. We should give this theory more public consideration than Trump’s bizarre rants about clones or multiple Bidens. He uses those distractions—and usually succeeds—to divert attention from real issues. Almost every time, Trump evades accountability by slinging nonsense or inventing stories to hide his own corruption.

Re-Reading Between the Li(n)es

On June 4, 2025, President Donald Trump issued an executive memorandum directing Attorney General Pam Bondi and White House Counsel David Warrington to investigate whether President Joe Biden’s use of an automatic signature device (the “autopen”) allowed Biden’s aides to sign major documents – pardon letters, executive orders, even legislation – without the president’s direct involvement. Trump alleges that Biden’s cognitive decline rendered him incapable of personally authorizing these actions, and therefore any autopen-signed document can be voided by Trump now.

Critics immediately dismissed Trump’s claims as politically motivated smears. Yet the broader question emerges: If Biden legitimately employed the autopen for routine tasks, could that same device have been manipulated by outside actors – namely, Trump himself – to exert influence behind the scenes?

This article examines:

1. What an autopen is and how presidents have historically used it.
   
2. Trump’s current narrative accusing Biden of illegitimate autopen reliance.
   
3. Trump’s own confessed autopen usage.
   
4. The parallel “executed and replaced” conspiracy theory Trump has spread.
   
5. Kamala Harris’s claim that Trump privately influenced immigration policy during Biden’s term – demonstrating that even Democrats believe in Trump’s ability to interfere as an unelected person.
   
6. A subversive hypothesis: that Trump secretly purchased autopen access from Biden’s inner circle between 2020–2024, effectively serving as a “shadow president.”
   
7. Why any genuine inquiry about Biden’s autopen use must include scrutiny of Trump and him together.
   
8. The constitutional, legal, and political ramifications if Trump indeed governed via Biden’s autopen.

What Is an Autopen, and How Has It Been Used?

An autopen is a mechanical device programmed with a digital trace of an individual’s handwritten signature.

When activated, a robotic arm reproduces the signature onto documents. These can include condolence letters or, at times, executive orders. Such a device could also authenticate or authorize peace treaties, declarations of war, troop movements, or any action requiring a signed order rather than a verbal one. While autopens are common for high-volume signers like celebrities and corporate CEOs, they raise special concerns at the presidential level. They can obscure whether the president personally approved each document.

• Early Precursors: Thomas Jefferson owned “polygraphs” – manual duplication devices that allowed simultaneous copying of handwritten letters in the early 1800s.
  
• Mid–20th Century Adoption: By the 1930s, fully automated signature machines emerged. President Harry S. Truman may have been the first President to use such a device, though some historians claim Gerald Ford was the first.
  
• Obama’s Landmark Use: In May 2011, President Barack Obama used an autopen to sign a one‐week extension of the USA PATRIOT Act while overseas. Although the Justice Department’s 2005 opinion had ruled that an autopen‐signed bill satisfies constitutional requirements, critics decried the lack of personal presidential involvement.
  
• Biden’s Recent Use: In May 2024, President Biden directed an autopen to execute a short‐term FAA funding extension during foreign travel. Reporters noted that Biden’s autopen use was explicitly limited to urgent yet minor tasks – and that large ceremonial signings (such as the infrastructure bill in November 2021) were conducted in person.

Thus, while autopens are legally valid under existing DOJ guidance, their deployment can undermine both public confidence and perceptions of presidential accountability – especially if used for controversial or high‐stakes decisions.

Trump’s Current Narrative: Questioning Biden’s Signatures

Beginning in early May 2025, Trump publicly railed against Biden’s use of the autopen, arguing that the president’s cognitive decline made him incapable of personally authorizing critical policy decisions. On June 5, Trump ordered a formal investigation to determine whether Biden’s aides “unconstitutionally exercised the authorities and responsibilities of the president.”

He specifically cited:

• Family Pardons: Trump contended that certain posthumous pardons and clemencies late in Biden’s term were executed via autopen without Biden’s clear instructions.
  
• Executive Orders: He cast doubt on the legitimacy of immigration‐related executive orders – most notably, a 2024 border‐security directive that reportedly lacked a high‐profile public signing ceremony.
  
• “Selling Signatures”: Trump even insinuated that Biden “sold” autopen access to outside individuals or lobbyists, claiming that “signatures can be bought just like tavern beer.”
  

In press conferences, Trump asked reporters, “Who was operating the autopen? Radical left lunatics running our country!” Critics noted that Biden held a widely publicized signing ceremony for his border‐security order, contradicting Trump’s insinuation of secret autopen use.

By weaponizing the autopen issue, Trump seeks to delegitimize any policy bearing Biden’s signature – while conveniently overlooking his own autopen record.

Trump’s Own Use of the Autopen

Ironically, Trump admitted to using an autopen, though only for “very unimportant papers.” In a March 2025 interview, he said, “I’ll have an autopen send some young person a letter, because it’s nice.” He insisted he reserved it for minor tasks and never for executive memoranda.

Yet in March 2025, Trump declared several of Biden’s final pardons “VOID” and “VACANT” on grounds that they were autopen‐signed. By that logic, seen through Trump’s own precedent, any president’s reliance on a replica device becomes grounds for nullification – regardless of DOJ opinions upholding autopen legality.

This double standard poses a glaring question: If autopen use automatically delegitimizes a signature, should both presidents’ autopen actions be treated equally? Trump’s selective outrage raises suspicions about what he might be hiding.

The “Executed and Replaced” Conspiracy Theory

Alongside attacking Biden’s autopen reliance, Trump has amplified a conspiracy theory claiming that “the real Joe Biden was executed in 2020 and replaced by a clone or robotic double.” He reposted these rumors on Truth Social, prompting outrage from both mainstream outlets and fact‐checkers. If you believed that these two men were attempting to cover up their covert and secretive backroom dealings together, these insane stories make more sense.

Because it would mean that Trump replaced Biden in 2020.

Not a robot. Not a clone. But the guy who “lost” the 2020 election. The story about a robotic double and all this other nonsense aside, the premise that Biden was not the *real* President is kind of the debate. A lot of Americans felt that Biden’s decline – in retrospect – means we don’t know who was ultimately responsible. So who could it have been? A former President makes sense. Or maybe a Mastermind group of former Presidents.

Trump Seems Tired of Holding It All In

Perhaps Trump thought he would be okay keeping that a secret during his lifetime but the pressure of that kind of lie is actually beginning to get to him. He does seem noticeably mentally declining himself these days. Despite that, the pace of his administration is faster than ever. That does not make any sense unless it is not only Trump who are pulling the executive order levers in his own administration.

Why would Trump cast such doubt about the voracity of this device which he himself probably uses for more important matters than he lets on?

By pairing autopen allegations with outlandish “clone Biden” conspiracies, Trump’s strategy appears twofold:

1. Undermine Public Faith in Biden: Suggesting mental incapacity and even death taps into voter anxieties about an aging president.
   
2. Distract from Real Questions: Misdirecting attention toward fringe narratives allows Trump to gloss over any potential illicit autopen arrangements on his own part.

Who Trusts Trump More, His Followers Or His Foes?

You will hear a lot of people that vocally oppose Trump say things like *Trump lies all the time, I don’t believe a word he says* which means they trust him – to lie.

That is a paradox, of course, which means they just simply trust him.

Whether they know it or not, this engenders a kind of anti-trust.

Because of this, most people cannot tell when he tells the truth. They confuse what he thinks is true with what he claims to believe is true. This confusion makes it hard to know what he lies about or why he pours insane falsehoods from his mouth and social media accounts.

Also, what lies has he convinced himself are true that he cannot or will not escape or give up? People that follow Trump often excuse things like his negotiating style as bluster that he doesn’t really mean. So they actually don’t “trust” what he says in the same way that those who claim to oppose him do.

Strange, isn’t it?

Do You Trust Trump To Lie To You?

If you treat him like a member of a uniparty who controls both Democrats and Republicans as well as many Independent or non-affiliated voters, you have to treat every statement and situation uniquely. Individually. In context of both the past and the present, as well as whatever Trump might envision as the future. You have to get in his head as him to understand him – rather than cast your judgment within the processing of his decisions or effects – because if you recognize him as unlike anybody else, that is the only way you can comprehend what he might be doing.

Don’t implicitly trust or distrust what Trump says.

If you think he is lying, think hard about why he is lying.

But think harder about what he’s actually lying about.

Meaning, what do these lies intend to cover up?

Who do these lies protect?

Kamala Harris/Biden Administration Immigration Claim

During the 2024 election campaign, Vice President Kamala Harris publicly blamed Trump for “killing” a major immigration reform bill that Democrats had pursued throughout Biden’s first term. Harris implied that even as a private citizen, Donald Trump wielded enough authority through back‐channel communications with congressional leaders to halt progress on immigration. She has also claimed that he did this in order to have an issue to campaign on. A lot of people buy and believe that specific explanation even though it makes little sense on various levels.

Her remarks underscored that Democrats, too, suspected Trump’s behind-the-scenes influence. Even as Biden was officially in the Oval Office, Harris contended, Trump’s network of allies in Capitol Hill effectively weaponized legislative processes against the administration’s agenda.

That precedent demonstrates:

• Bipartisan Skepticism: Even Democratic leaders doubt Trump had fully relinquished presidential authority, reinforcing the notion of a “shadow president.”
  
• Autopen as Symbol: While Harris did not cite autopen specifically, her comments hint at the broader dynamic whereby Trump’s informal channels exerted de facto power possibly facilitated by autopen‐signed legislation.

This episode shows that autopen misuse extends beyond a fringe concern; it confirms longstanding fears that Trump, acting as a private individual, steered policy decisions from the sidelines. If someone wields the autopen’s power without facing presidential accountability, they can veto with impunity. Just as free speech balances against Fifth Amendment protections, the President’s pen outpowers a sword and serves as a shield when issuing vetoes.

My Theory: Wouldn’t Trump Try To Be A “Shadow President” If He Could?

One of the most striking, obvious, and glaring problems with the Democrats’ opposition to Trump’s fascination with the autopen, is the notion that he would not be equally or more corrupt than he is accusing Biden of being. Even some of Trump’s most staunch supporters were taken aback at his receipt of a $400M plane from Qatar. In the case that it is possible to purchase autopen signatures on executive orders or other pieces of legislation by bribing Trump, it is fair to ask what autopen signatures did they purchase with that plane?

If Trump claims it is so real that Biden did it, wouldn’t Trump do it too?

Also, if this is a commonly known practice, of Presidents selling their signatures, when did Trump learn about that? Just this year? Last year? In his first term in office? Before then?

Has Trump ever purchased autopen signatures from past Presidents like Obama or Clinton (his old friend) or Bush? Though improbable in your mind, these theories I’m presenting are far more believable than the political science fiction Trump is promoting that Biden is a literal clone like Arnold Schwarzenegger in The 6th Day. Or the movie Total Recall. Of course Trump would purchase Presidential authority if he could. That also should open the door to questioning if he did so (bribery) to become elected in the first place. How much would it cost (and who would you have to pay) to become the President of the United States of America?

If there was a scheme to act as President even if you weren’t technically President, of course Donald John Trump would buy access to it.

Trump Tells His Secrets To Anyone Who Will Hear Them Sometimes

Given Trump’s fixation on Biden’s autopen, his admitted autopen usage, and Harris’s admission of Trump’s extrajudicial influence, we must ask: Did Trump secretly obtain – and exploit – Biden’s autopen access between 2020–2024? Might Trump, rather than Biden, have signed critical documents behind closed doors?

To understand how this could be possible, you would have to understand that when it comes to keeping secrets, there are a few philosophies.

Some people are “hush hush” – meaning you say nothing.

Other people are a kind of “wink wink” – meaning they say things in coded language only a few truly understand. That can blend into cult-like phenomenon such as the Qanon conspiracies or things of that nature. This kind of wink wink lying or secrecy can be used by political factions to keep people busy so they never find the truth hiding in plain sight.

Silencing Dissent Or Creating Conflicting, Deafening Signals

When noise gets made about something those in power want to be kept secret, some people try to silence the vocalized criticisms or suspicion. That is kind of the old school way of doing things as politicians in America.

This is where rumors like the Clinton Body Count come from.

Other people yell louder than the whispers – until everybody is quiet and looking at them – even if they are talking about the secret openly. Eventually, nobody will believe that person (Trump in this case) when they say things about secrets – especially if they do so in such a way that seems (to the uninformed) – as insane. Trump is an expert at this tactic. It is harder to pull off because it opens you up to scrutiny and scorn.

If you don’t really care what people think of you, living in a world beyond the general public like Trump does, this is easier to do than most people realize. Sure he can be sensitive or petty at times, but for the most part Trump operates on other principles that are uncommon.

Learn How To Know What To Believe About Trump and His Remarks

He is a loud mouth with nearly everything.

For decades, Trump has become accustomed to sending out press blasts that dominate the news cycles with whatever he wants covered. That means the direction of the news business writ large can be contained by his methods. However, we have been disrupted that.

But that doesn’t mean he can’t keep secrets and it doesn’t mean you can always figure out what he is really lying about or why he is lying about certain things.

Too often, people who are rubbed the wrong way with Trump lose their minds and clarity enough to accurately and effectively attack his agenda.

“Secrets Secrets Are No Fun, Unless You Share With Everyone…”

At times, though, he can keep secrets of all kinds and sorts, but people around him know that you eventually might need him to talk wild about something like a clone theory. That helps discredit him when he says the truth out loud, for example.

Consider the following arguments:

1. America’s “Uniparty” Reality
   
   • Public feuds often mask private coordination. Rand Paul and other elected officials regularly use the term “uniparty” to refer to what has essentially become modern Democratic-Republicanism.
     
   • When you listen to Democrats and Republicans like they are in stereo speakers but playing the same tune, you hear a whole new and more cogent reality. It is harder to listen to, because it is still discordant, but the resonance of the stereo image makes things look crystal clear.
     
2. Autopen’s Legal but Narrow Scope
   
   • DOJ’s 2005 ruling affirmed that autopen‐signed bills are constitutionally valid when the president is unavailable. However, that opinion presumes the autopen is exclusively operated by the president’s authorized staff. It did not anticipate sale or transfer of autopen access to outside actors. I think we can all agree that this would be a form of bribery, and bribery is in fact an impeachable offense much more clearly than the “quid pro quo” of the 2019 Trump impeachment articles which consequently also involved Biden by name.
     
   • If Biden’s inner circle clandestinely auctioned or gifted autopen credentials to Trump‐aligned operatives, any autopen echo of Biden’s signature on significant orders (e.g., judicial appointments, pardons) would lack constitutional legitimacy. Also, since the legacy of the autopen dates back prior to the Presidencies of any living President, all other living presidents including Biden, Obama, Clinton, and Bush should testify under oath about their use of this device.

What Might Trump Do With An Autopen?

If Trump effectively operated Biden’s autopen to sign decisions, he:

• Usurped Article II Powers: Only the president may legitimately issue executive orders, veto bills, deploy federal troops, and grant pardons. If Trump’s proxies fed instructions through Biden’s autopen, they would have unlawfully wielded those powers. Trump has said many times that neither Ukraine vs. Russia nor Israel vs. Palestine conflicts would have happened if he were President, which many people have argued is simply a counterfactual. But what if it was more? If Trump were granted authority by Biden to essentially act as President while Biden merely acted as President, those wars did happen while Trump was (acting) President. It’s a mind-bender, but then again, so is Donald John Trump.
  
• Violated the Twenty-Second Amendment: This amendment limits a person to two elected terms. If Trump’s autopen–enabled shadow governance spanned 2020–2024, he effectively governed part of a third term without electoral legitimacy. If this were to be the case, that means January 6th was a show to convince the public that Trump not only lost the election, but would not be governing as President.
  
• Undermined Accountability: Transparency evaporates when the public cannot discern who is really running things. Knowing who is commander in chief is also important for foreign affairs. A covert arrangement between these two men would mean that U.S. policy for four years bore Trump’s imprint – despite Biden’s public façade.

Why Investigations Must Include Trump As A Suspect

A legitimate, nonpartisan probe cannot focus solely on Biden’s cognitive fitness or aides’ alleged deception. To restore faith in the executive branch, investigators must:

1. Audit All Autopen Use Logs
   
   • Autopen devices maintain detailed chain‐of‐custody records: timestamps, user credentials, and operator fingerprints. Auditors should cross‐reference these logs for every autopen activation from January 2020 through January 2025.
     
   • Any instance where the autopen was seized, transferred, or accessed without documented authorization must be flagged as potential misconduct.
     
2. Trace Financial Transactions
   
   • Examine PAC donations, personal wire transfers, and consulting fees paid to companies servicing the White House Office of Digital Authentication. A forensic financial audit must be conducted to determine what transactional relationships the Biden family has with the Trump family through them as individuals, all of their family members, shell companies, and related trusts or other entities. This will prove if there was a bribery scheme between the Bidens and the Trumps. All former Presidents should submit to this same investigation, and look for interrelated links between them. Legitimate connections, and corrupt connections.

Pam Bondi is sure to do whatever Trump directs, even while pretending to blame Democrats and rhetorically insulting Biden in public in order to distract people from asking the hardest questions of all.

Constitutional, Legal, and Political Ramifications

If evidence confirms Trump (or proxies) clandestinely governed via Biden’s autopen:

• Constitutional Crisis
  
  • The seamless façade of presidential authority would be shattered. Discovering that an election’s result was this kind of veneer, and that policy continuity hinged on a signature machine, would shatter public trust in democratic institutions.
    
  • The Twenty-Second Amendment’s two‐term limit would have been effectively subverted, as Trump’s behind‐the‐scenes impact superseded the will of the voters. This alone should be impeachable.
    
• Nullification of Key Actions
  
  • Courts would see mass litigation. Not just for Biden, but for Trump’s flurry of orders this term. A Supreme Court case may need to decide something more sweeping about this present moment.
  • Departments from Justice to Homeland Security would face confusion over which directives remain valid. There would be chaos in the White House as well as throughout the federal government.
  • A special “autopen review board” might be convened to evaluate tens of thousands of pages of executive memos – an unprecedented bureaucratic quagmire.
    
• Political Fallout
  
  • The Republican Party could dissolve into factions of loyalists vs. moderates who are aghast at the constitutional breach.
  • Democrats would be questioned across the board about who knew about how the country was being run between 2020–2024. People like Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi, Jerry Nadler, and others would be questioned for their part in this aspect of the cover up.
    
• Erosion of Public Trust
  
  • Voter cynicism would reach new heights. The idea that elections merely rotated theatrical leadership – while real power was brokered through autopen auctions – would foster apathy or radicalization.
    
  • If the presidency can be outsourced to a signature machine, what future reforms could restore transparency? Citizens might demand biometric, video‐streamed signings or live “pen on paper” ceremonies for all high‐level acts of state.

At the end of the day, this coming to light would be some of the best things to happen for Americans in generations. It could actually see the collapse of the 2-party illusion.

Whose Autopen Is On First?

These guys are like Abbott and Costello, or worse, they’re just the 2 stooges. I mean it’s hard to imagine these are the first two geniuses to figure out this autopen thing so I’m sure that W. Bush told them about it. Clinton had it before Obama or Biden (who may have been a shadow President for Obama) and so forth. We need to know what about the last 30-ish years of American history is true and what is total bullshit.

Donald Trump’s latest crusade against the presumption of Joe Biden’s autopen use looks like an attempt to expose an aging president’s loss of capacity. In reality, it may serve two purposes: delegitimizing any policy that Biden enacted via autopen, and deflecting scrutiny from Trump’s own covert autopen associations.

Critics rightly point out that presidents on both sides of the aisle have used autopens for routine tasks – context that Trump conveniently omits.

Until the truth emerges, the American people will remain in the dark about which signature truly carried the force of the Oval Office.

What World Leaders Have Won Bids For Autopen Signatures From Donald Trump?

Think about who remains “friends” with the Donald.

And ask yourself how in God’s name they continue to get what they want from him.

Also, the most clear cut form of bribery we could possibly imagine would be a President selling a foreign adversary the ability to author or block laws.

I believe that is where we are.

Where we go from here?

The People must decide.